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Saiyuki: Saiyubito Comparative Analysis 7/8

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Konnyaku Honyaku is back! Soto's started putting up photos and stuff from her Japan trip at elfsoto if you're curious, but there wasn't nearly as much Saiyuki stuff to be found as she'd hoped. But, here's the next bit of the Comparative Analysis: Intro + Konzen, Kenren and Tenpou

Earlier: a bunch of people (≧∪≦)


Second, a comparison between “Hsi Yu Ki” and “Saiyuki Gaiden”

Introduction

The original “Hsi Yu Ki” story has a two-part structure. The first half is the story from Goku’s birth scene until Goku is imprisoned in the Mountain of the Five Elements by Shakyamuni. The latter half is the story of Goku becoming Sanzo’s disciple and going with his companions to India on a scripture-seeking journey.

“Saiyuki Gaiden” is something that attempts to draw this type of first half, but rather obviously the entire story and the settings have become Minekura Originals.

As for why, first of all in the original “Hsi Yu Ki”, Sanzo’s previous incarnation “Konzen Douji”, and Gojyo and Hakkai’s previous incarnations “General Kenren” and “Field Marshal Tenpou” didn’t meet Son Goku in Heaven. In the original, there are scenes in which Gojyo and Hakkai say “When I was in Heaven~” and talk about their previous lives, but truly that is all.

Actually, there isn’t one scene in the story where their previous incarnations appear, and when he was in Heaven Goku rampaged all on his own.

“Saiyuki Gaiden” is something that uses the original as a basis and supposes “What if Goku did meet Sanzo and the others in Heaven?” It’s even more of a parody than the main story.

Konzen Douji

☆ He is Genjo Sanzo’s previous incarnation, and second disciple to the Buddha Shaka Nyorai. It seems he made light of the Buddha’s teachings and was forced to reincarnate. He is known as ”Konzen Douji” [金蝉童子 Golden Cicada Child], or “Elder Konzen”. Genjo Sanzo himself knows nothing of this previous life, nor does he seem to remember it, but for some reason the youkai who attack Sanzo know that “that Zen monk is the reincarnation of Elder Konzen”.

☆ I read somewhere that Shaka Nyorai’s second disciple is Kanzeon Bosatsu’s nephew, and made “Saiyuki Gaiden”’s Konzen into Kannon’s assistant. It isn’t written in the original what form Konzen’s violation of the Buddha’s teachings took.

General Kenren

☆ He is Gojyo’s previous incarnation in “Hsi Yu Ki” as well. Only his name sounds cool; his job is putting up and taking down one of Heaven’s shop curtains [noren 暖簾] (that’s why ‘Kenren’ [捲簾] is written as ‘roll curtain’ [noren wo makuru 暖簾を捲る]……) However, he is a slightly pathetic character who was sent down to the lower world for the sin of breaking a precious glass. He then became the youkai “Sha Gojyo”. So, he is more Gojyo’s “previous form”, rather than Gojyo’s previous incarnation. He even has all his memories.

☆ “Saiyuki Gaiden”’s Ken-niichan has absolutely no relation to the original anymore. I don’t think he was called a military man in the original either…… It was just a name.

Field Marshal Tenpou

☆ In the original, like Kenren is for Gojyo, he is Hakkai’s previous incarnation. He enjoyed living in Heaven’s river as Field Marshal Tenpou but, drunk on sake, he laid hands upon the moon spirit (a beauty and someone else’s wife), and was sent down to the lower world. It seems he was in the army’s top ranks, after a fashion, and knew of Goku’s rampaging in Heaven. Later, when he met Goku in the lower world as Cho Hakkai, there is a scene wherein he complains “Do you know how much of a pain it was for us when you rampaged in the Heavenly Palace?” It is made clear that Field Marshal Tenpou was in the punitive squad Heaven sent against Goku.

☆ Since in “Saiyuki” Hakkai and Gojyo’s natures are switched, in “Saiyuki Gaiden” as well, laying hands on someone else’s wife becomes Kenren’s job (laughs). Incidentally, Tenpou and Kenren being the subordinates of the Dragon King of the Western Seas is also random.

Only Nataku, Li Touten, Goujun and the conclusion to go!

Comments

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whymzycal
Jun. 29th, 2009 04:14 am (UTC)
Welcome back! And thanks so much for the translation. It's very interesting to see where she made changes and for what reasons.
konnyakuhonyaku
Jun. 30th, 2009 09:04 pm (UTC)
Thank you (^_^)
ibr_remote
Jun. 29th, 2009 04:35 am (UTC)
Hey how did your adventures in Japan go ? Heh heh !

OK, thanks for the translation. In all, Sensei is pretty much random herself, when it comes to the characters inspiration. Which adds to the fun !
konnyakuhonyaku
Jun. 30th, 2009 09:07 pm (UTC)
I wasn't able to find any Saiyuki things I don't already have (T-T)

I've always wanted a look inside Sensei's head
tess4
Jun. 29th, 2009 07:24 am (UTC)
Welcome back and thank you for translation :)
konnyakuhonyaku
Jun. 30th, 2009 09:07 pm (UTC)
Thank you and you're welcome (^_^)
adena_kaiba
Jun. 29th, 2009 10:01 am (UTC)
Thank you very much for the translation! and welcome back! ^^ *goes to read the part A of your trip*
konnyakuhonyaku
Jun. 30th, 2009 09:07 pm (UTC)
Thank you (^_^)
sarubaby
Jun. 29th, 2009 01:41 pm (UTC)
heyyyy welcome back!! :D I missed these, Konzeeen *_*
konnyakuhonyaku
Jun. 30th, 2009 09:10 pm (UTC)
(^__^)
Only one more part to go. But then there's the interview with Minekura Sensei... XD
sarubaby
Jun. 30th, 2009 09:17 pm (UTC)
AHAH! I love her so much, I bet the interview is awesome
konnyakuhonyaku
Jun. 30th, 2009 09:34 pm (UTC)
Heh, her first answer is over a page long in Microsoft Word (^_^) It's looking to be an interesting interview
befanini
Jun. 29th, 2009 03:10 pm (UTC)
Invaluable "secrets", as always!
Thank you very much!
konnyakuhonyaku
Jun. 30th, 2009 09:10 pm (UTC)
you're welcome
sharpeslass
Jun. 29th, 2009 08:52 pm (UTC)
Thanks!! Interesting stuff!
konnyakuhonyaku
Jun. 30th, 2009 09:10 pm (UTC)
^_^
veronicacode
Jun. 29th, 2009 10:04 pm (UTC)
Thank you as always!!!
konnyakuhonyaku
Jun. 30th, 2009 09:10 pm (UTC)
you're welcome (^_^)
candika
Jun. 29th, 2009 11:45 pm (UTC)
Thankyou so much for these.

I have an idea that Konzen was 'demoted' for falling asleep during one of the Buddha's sermons. But I could be wrong.

Also, in the original, didn't Goku get his staff from Goujun?
konnyakuhonyaku
Jun. 30th, 2009 09:20 pm (UTC)
I have an idea that Konzen was 'demoted' for falling asleep during one of the Buddha's sermons. But I could be wrong
Huh, I could see that happening XD

didn't Goku get his staff from Goujun?
Sensei brings it up in Goujun's section, but yes, Goku terrorizes the Dragon King brothers into giving him the staff and a whole new outfit, too (^_^)
kirathaune
Jun. 30th, 2009 03:15 am (UTC)
Welcome back and thank you!
konnyakuhonyaku
Jun. 30th, 2009 09:21 pm (UTC)
Thanks (^_^)
shiroi_ume
Jun. 30th, 2009 11:42 pm (UTC)
I hope you enjoyed your trip, and had safe flights both to and from Japan. :)

Thanks so much for this; as always, it's very interesting to read.

"Since in “Saiyuki” Hakkai and Gojyo’s natures are switched, in “Saiyuki Gaiden” as well, laying hands on someone else’s wife becomes Kenren’s job (laughs)."
Hahaha, I was expecting something like that to be said.
konnyakuhonyaku
Jul. 5th, 2009 08:54 pm (UTC)
Yup, Japan trip went splendidly!

Heh, it would be really entertaining to see Tenpou hitting on someone other than Kenren
ibr_remote
Jul. 1st, 2009 02:51 am (UTC)
Wonderful stuff - thank you very much indeed.

Love that part in the Chinese version in with Kanzeon kicks them all off the speeding cloud - hahahahah ! That's so much like what Minekura would connive as well.

Good. Everyone wants the heroes to continue fighting evil together, and .... trying to do good, but not quite !
konnyakuhonyaku
Jul. 5th, 2009 08:56 pm (UTC)
I burst out laughing when I read that last bit in the original Journey! No wonder Kanzeon's one of the most popular boddhisatvas ^_^
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