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Previously: Goku and Gojyo

Here's the sections on Hakkai and Jeep


Cho Hakkai
☆ In the original, his religious name is Gonou (Hakkai is his nickname). He was exiled from Heaven (see the section on Field Marshal Tenpou), but when he fled to the Lower World he mistakenly dove into the stomach of a boar. He became a boar demon (in recent years this has been translated as pig, but it is actually a boar. There were no pigs in ancient China) because he was born of a boar. He decides to become Sanzo’s disciple at the passing Kannon’s recommendation, but when Sanzo arrives Hakkai has already taken a woman and is indulging in lewd activities. After taking some blows from Goku, Hakkai joins the journey.

☆ Although the original “Hsi Yu Ki”’s Hakkai fights with a nine-pronged muck-rake with high attack power, Saiyuki’s Hakkai and Gojyo switch their attack-types and pervy power (laughs), so I ventured to have Hakkai hold no weapon.

☆ In Japan, “Cho Hakkai” is more popular than “Cho Gonou” (Note 3). Incidentally, “Hakkai” comes from the phrase “separated from the five viands and three foods”. In Buddhism, it is forbidden to eat the five viands, “garlic (two types), onions, green onions, and Chinese chives”, and the three foods, “the geese of the sky, the dogs of the earth, and the fish of the water”. The original Cho Gonou is a character obsessed with eating, so Sanzo gave him the nickname “Hakkai” as a warning to avoid those eight forbidden foods. Because “Saiyuki”’s Hakkai is a non-Buddhist, I employed a contrary tactic and had the Three Aspects give Hakkai a name based on the eight “obstacles to perfection”, the origins of the Catholic “Seven Deadly Sins”. Incidentally, the obstacles to perfection are “pride, envy, gluttony, lust, sloth, greed, wrath, and vanity”, but it’s said that “pride” and “vanity” were later combined, forming the “Seven Deadly Sins”, the origins of all other sins.

☆ The original Cho Hakkai confessed to biting to death the female boar who birthed him, beating to death all her fellow boars, and living alone on the mountain. I compared “Saiyuki”’s Hakkai with the original on that point, and made him a “mass murderer”.

☆ I wrote this in Sanzo’s section as well, but for some reason Sanzo easily accepts what Hakkai says, even though Sanzo is a stubborn man who won’t lend an ear to what Goku or Gojyo says. Hsi Yu Ki’s Priest Sanzo is overly tolerant of Hakkai, but I get the feeling that my Hakkai is becoming “an opponent Sanzo can’t stand up to” in the complete opposite sense (laughs).

Note 3: “About religious names”
Sanzo’s three followers all have various names they go by.

“Son Goku” is the religious name given to Goku by the Subodhi Immortal who trained him in Buddhist ways. On top of that, the nickname Sanzo gave him is “Pilgrim Son”, and the name the youkai use to insult him is the title of his position in the Heavenly Palace, “Pi ma wen”.

The religious name “Cho Gonou” is one given by Kannon, and the nickname given by Sanzo is “Hakkai”. Incidentally, the name Hakkai went by himself in the past is “Cho Gouryou” (猪 剛鬣) [Boar Strong Mane].

The religious name “Sha Gojyo” too is one given by Kannon, and the nickname given by Sanzo is “Sha Monk”.

Jeep

☆ In the original he’s a “dragon horse”. Following Kannon’s guidance, the dragon that attacked the Sanzo Ikkou in the middle of their journey joined up with the Ikkou, changed into a white horse, and journeys with Sanzo riding on his back (since this guy devoured the horse Sanzo had been riding in the first place). His true form is the Dragon King of the Western Ocean’s third son. Kannon saved him from his death sentence for causing a fire in the Dragon Palace and burning a treasured jewel, and he descended to the Lower World.

☆ In “Saiyuki”, I decided from the beginning to “make him a Jeep, not a horse”, so I went with the setting “his original form is a white dragon”. I thought it’d be useful because in places a Jeep can’t go, he can change into his dragon form and fly after the guys on his own (laughs). In the “Saiyuki” novels it’s made clear that Jeep too is “a heretical creature born of the synthesis of magic and science”, but now that I think about it, it hasn’t come up in the manga yet…… In the anime version of “Saiyuki”, Hakuryu was given the attack power to spit fire, but it doesn’t look like the manga’s Jeep has that ability at this point. The original dragon horse helps out Goku and the others by turning into a beautiful woman, and marking with golden poo and the like.

Next up: Kanzeon Bosatsu, Jiroushin, and the Three Aspects

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amai_kaminari
May. 5th, 2009 02:58 am (UTC)
...eight “obstacles to perfection”, the origins of the Catholic “Seven Deadly Sins”. Incidentally, the obstacles to perfection are “pride, envy, gluttony, lust, sloth, greed, wrath, and vanity”, but it’s said that “pride” and “vanity” were later combined, forming the “Seven Deadly Sins”, the origins of all other sins.

O.O That's really interesting!

Thank you so much for the translation! This has really been eye-opening about Hakkai! <3
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:35 am (UTC)
I learn so much from Saiyuki: Japanese language, Japanese culture, Christian sin origins... XD
whymzycal
May. 5th, 2009 03:00 am (UTC)
And your awesomeness just doesn't stop. Thank you so much for this!
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:36 am (UTC)
(#^_^#) You're welcome
pixie_blade
May. 5th, 2009 03:10 am (UTC)
you rock!!! just wanted to tell you!
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:36 am (UTC)
*blushes* Th-thank you <3
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rroselavy
May. 5th, 2009 03:30 am (UTC)
Thank you! It's awesome reading Minekura's reasoning!
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:37 am (UTC)
I was hoping she'd explain why she chose a Jeep, of all vehicles (^_^)
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ibr_remote
May. 5th, 2009 04:12 am (UTC)
Thanks yet again for sharing with us translations of the insightful comments and "liner-notes" which Minekura-Sensei has made.

Very enjoyable reading , and of course, inspires one to go read further on the original story version and compare it with the Minekura parody version.

It's always amusing to me personally to wonder how the original Xuan Tsang aka Tripitaka would react, if he knew about these various parodies and the fan-fiction that is in the wild !!
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:38 am (UTC)
*gigglefit* Tripitaka would probably have a heart attack and die if he met Minekura's Sanzo, or if he ever came across any of the fanfic XD
suanz
May. 5th, 2009 04:37 am (UTC)
Thanks for translating. Else I'd probably be 109 by the time I finish cross checking against my various Jap dictionaries. Ha Ha Ha
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:40 am (UTC)
(<.<) (>.>) ...The Japanese-English dictionary cartridge for the DS is my savior X3
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the_rotten1
May. 5th, 2009 04:56 am (UTC)
I get the feeling that my Hakkai is becoming “an opponent Sanzo can’t stand up to” in the complete opposite sense (laughs).

That just sounds... so indicative to me. X3 But then, I'm taking it as: 'The original Sanzo is too afraid of Hakkai to stand up to him', but Minekura's Sanzo is unable to stand up to him for a different reason, I think. (It's because he likes him too much! I swear!)

But, thank you so much for sharing these. The comparisons really are amusing, aren't they? I think it's interesting how she switched them all around.
ginnyvos
May. 5th, 2009 07:57 am (UTC)
Heh I actually took it to mean that the original Sanzo is tolerant of Hakkai's many faults, where Saiyuki's Hakkai is just too damn scary for him to meddle with and not worth the trouble.
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candika
May. 5th, 2009 04:59 am (UTC)
Thankyou so much, these are really interesting!
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:41 am (UTC)
You're welcome
angel_love_song
May. 5th, 2009 07:14 am (UTC)

thank you so much for the information! i've always wondered what were the similarities and differences of the saiyuki gang from their original forms. i researched a bit but it wasn't very satisfying. but to hear it from the creator herself! it's amazing! arigatou~~!!!
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:42 am (UTC)
I've spent the last... 4 years or so trying to figure out how the heck Minekura Sensei got from the original characters to her incarnations. It's a relief to get some definitive answers ^_^
sarubaby
May. 5th, 2009 08:16 am (UTC)
Hakuryuu's explanation made me think a bit, Minekura said he was Gojun's incarnation, but maybe he could be Gojun himself sent by Kanzeon in that tiny dragon form :O

or not XD

ahah, thanks a lot! interesting as always
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:45 am (UTC)
Has Gaiden ever said what happened to Gojun after the huge 'Gyaaaaaah, everybody's dying, NUUUUUUU!!!" mess? I can't remember.
Well, there's a Gojun section coming up! Maybe some answers'll be in there? Doubtful, but one can hope ^_^
kansouame
May. 5th, 2009 11:41 am (UTC)
You are so wonderful for doing this. Thank you so much for sharing.
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:46 am (UTC)
You're welcome.

... Your icon is mesmerizing...Jeep!
moshesque
May. 5th, 2009 11:44 am (UTC)
This is awesome. Thanks so much for sharing it!
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:46 am (UTC)
You're welcome ^_^
befanini
May. 5th, 2009 01:00 pm (UTC)
icon love!

And - well I guess Sensei is still dancing around the Gojun/HakuRyu question, even while confirming that in the original they are one and the same! :) Maybe we'll find out when Gaiden ends, eh?

The genius of this woman is staggering. Apart from the obvious - NSEW, the seasons, the elements - there are also their names. And yet even while borrowing from the original, "our Saiyuki" is very much separate and kick-ass all on its own.

And you kick ass the hardest for translating these gems for us! Thank you! ♥
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:50 am (UTC)
dawn_icons2 made a whole set of the musical actors a while back <3

Of all the numerous Journey to the West parodies/retellings I've come across, Minekura Sensei's is the only one who turned all of the Ikkou into people I adore reading about.
bunnysquee
May. 5th, 2009 03:08 pm (UTC)
thank you for the translation.
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:51 am (UTC)
You're welcome
veronicacode
May. 5th, 2009 05:04 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much!!! I LOVE this Saiyuki Comparative Analysis!!!
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:52 am (UTC)
I'm loving it too! So much information in one place... X3
minidrag33
May. 5th, 2009 11:50 pm (UTC)
Thank you for the translation. Interesting!
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:52 am (UTC)
you're welcome
chryseis85
May. 6th, 2009 01:39 am (UTC)
The original dragon horse helps out Goku and the others by . . . marking with golden poo and the like.
Well, that wasn't in the abridged version!

Thank you again!
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:53 am (UTC)
Yeah, I have to get up the courage to brave Anthony Yu's full translation; golden poo and pregnancy springs cannot go unread! XD
clytemnaestra
May. 6th, 2009 04:15 am (UTC)
Golden poo and the like????? :D I lol'd!
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:54 am (UTC)
I really wish the golden poo episode was in Waley's Monkey. That and pregnancy springs. O.o
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konnyakuhonyaku
May. 7th, 2009 07:54 am (UTC)
you're welcome
torre85
May. 9th, 2009 01:16 pm (UTC)
Very interesting. Especially where Hakkai's name is derived. Thank you for doing this!
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 11th, 2009 07:54 am (UTC)
(^_^) You're welcome
cherise75
May. 13th, 2009 06:42 am (UTC)
Thank you so much for posting this! It's both interesting and informative. Definitely adding to my mems and I'm looking forward to the next one!
konnyakuhonyaku
May. 14th, 2009 06:57 am (UTC)
I love your icon!
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